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Is this the spearhead 9 months 5 days ago #57697

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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57778

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No, it is shaped just like one though. Neat find!
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57780

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JoshinMO wrote:
No, it is shaped just like one though. Neat find!

Actually, it is an artefact … it just isn’t native American. It looks early Neolithic and I was thinking North African until I checked your profile and saw you were in Saudi Arabia. If that’s where you acquired it, I would think it probably from the Ubaid culture, somewhere between 5,800 years and 8,500 years ago.

It would have been really helpful if you had given us a little more provenance and – if this was found on the Arabian Peninsula – to have posted it in the “International Artifacts” section of the forum.

It might be a spearhead but it looks pretty big for that. It looks more like a crudely chipped knife, intended to be hafted into a bone or wooden handle. Some idea of the profile and whether or not it’s biface might give us a better idea on spear vs knife, but I’m inclined to think it’s a knife-form.

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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57788

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Thank you for the answer JoshinMO
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57792

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mtwan wrote:
Thank you for the answer JoshinMO

is that all you're gonna tell us? :dry: :huh:
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57793

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Thank painshill on your answer and your good
Yes I found a site with many Stone Age settlements and the location near South Arabia from Yemen
I think that the culture of the slaves were in the north (I'm not a specialist and my English is weak)
The location in the map



There are some pictures of some of the pieces will attach later
Thanks for all
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57794

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I'm sorry
We must know that my English is weak and used the translator
I repeat my sincere thanks to you :blush:
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 3 days ago #57821

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painshill wrote:
JoshinMO wrote:
No, it is shaped just like one though. Neat find!

Actually, it is an artefact … it just isn’t native American. It looks early Neolithic and I was thinking North African until I checked your profile and saw you were in Saudi Arabia. If that’s where you acquired it, I would think it probably from the Ubaid culture, somewhere between 5,800 years and 8,500 years ago.

It would have been really helpful if you had given us a little more provenance and – if this was found on the Arabian Peninsula – to have posted it in the “International Artifacts” section of the forum.

It might be a spearhead but it looks pretty big for that. It looks more like a crudely chipped knife, intended to be hafted into a bone or wooden handle. Some idea of the profile and whether or not it’s biface might give us a better idea on spear vs knife, but I’m inclined to think it’s a knife-form.

Welcome to the forum mtwan.
I think WE should see the other side :laugh:
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57840

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JoshinMO wrote:
painshill wrote:
JoshinMO wrote:
No, it is shaped just like one though. Neat find!

Actually, it is an artefact … it just isn’t native American. It looks early Neolithic and I was thinking North African until I checked your profile and saw you were in Saudi Arabia. If that’s where you acquired it, I would think it probably from the Ubaid culture, somewhere between 5,800 years and 8,500 years ago.

It would have been really helpful if you had given us a little more provenance and – if this was found on the Arabian Peninsula – to have posted it in the “International Artifacts” section of the forum.

It might be a spearhead but it looks pretty big for that. It looks more like a crudely chipped knife, intended to be hafted into a bone or wooden handle. Some idea of the profile and whether or not it’s biface might give us a better idea on spear vs knife, but I’m inclined to think it’s a knife-form.

Welcome to the forum mtwan.
I think WE should see the other side :laugh:

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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57855

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Thank You Mtwan for showing more pictures/photos of Your Item.
I must admit I know nothing of middle East Artifacts.
That's all I will say.
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57857

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Thanks, mtwan… that helps considerably.

Your tool is clearly not bifacial. The size of the tool and its “tang”, plus the way that the tang flares out and the profile of the tip suggests
“knife” rather than “spear” to me. Think of “knife” as an instrument for cutting and gouging rather than a knife as we would know it.

As for dating, see the additional comments I made on your other thread here:
arrowheads.com/forums/international-arti...-of-some-stone-tools

Most lithic tools from the Arabian Neolithic are small and “opportunistic” since they were produced by “hunter/gatherer” nomadic people with
limited access to large pieces of suitable raw material. The size of that item is more usual for Ubaid culture (originating in Mesopotamia)
since they had a more structured existence in semi-permanent settlements and better access to raw materials. But, you are correct that your
site is “out-of-range” - the known Ubaid sites are mainly in coastal NE Saudi Arabia.

Your site looks to be in the vicinity of Abha. Is that correct? If so, it’s an interesting area. Last year a Neolithic village site relating
to the al-Maqar culture (originally from central Saudi-Arabia) was discovered in that area, dating to around 9,000 year ago. There is
controversial evidence from the site that the people there had domesticated horses. That would pre-date the conventional view that horses
were first domesticated in central Asia about 5,500 years ago.

The Maqar were not the only culture in the area, but if you begin finding hardstone representations of horse heads, then that would be very
characteristic for Maqar (as well as very exciting). Keep looking, keep looking!

I hope Google translator works for you here. My Arabic is much worse than your English, I’m afraid! :laugh:

If anything is not clear, please feel free to ask here or send me a private mail.
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57870

A lot of spearheads and arrow points had to be made in a hurry, plus they usually only did what they had to rd so there is a fine line between spear points/arrow points they weren't all perfect and symmetrical and half of the time the would use a spearhead or arrow as a knife because they only used what they had to like a multi tool, one second they are using an arrow as a knife cleaning a kill and a deer or other game walks up on them and they draw it back in their bow
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57871

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Artfctfndr26 wrote:
A lot of spearheads and arrow points had to be made in a hurry, plus they usually only did what they had to rd so there is a fine line between spear points/arrow points they weren't all perfect and symmetrical and half of the time the would use a spearhead or arrow as a knife because they only used what they had to like a multi tool, one second they are using an arrow as a knife cleaning a kill and a deer or other game walks up on them and they draw it back in their bow

Yes, but if you check out the pics of Arabian points on the other thread linked here, the features of the tang are very atypical for Neolithic
points from this area (and also pretty atypical for points in general). Also, if you check out the size of this thing, it seems to be well over
six inches long. That's also atypical for the area and much more consistent for soemthing made as a knife.
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Re: Is this the spearhead 9 months 2 days ago #57882

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Area and found stone tools is not close to the sea, where rising from the sea of 2400-2500 meters a mountainous region has no desert sands such as North Africa or the Empty Quarter desert of the Arabian Peninsula which is close to the city of Abha also reported
For each site the headquarters of which is reported is located in a desert area is not mountainous and away from this site 300 km and rises from the sea 1500
Sorry for poor English
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Re: I want to know the time of some stone tools 9 months 2 days ago #57883

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Hi painshill
Area and found stone tools is not close to the sea, where rising from the sea of 2400-2500 meters a mountainous region has no desert sands such as North Africa or the Empty Quarter desert of the Arabian Peninsula which is close to the city of Abha also reported
For each site the headquarters of which is reported is located in a desert area is not mountainous and away from this site 300 km and rises from the sea 1500
Sorry for poor English
Thank you
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