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Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55415

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8 1/4 inch Cotton rock celt from Pickaway co. Ohio. Very rare to see Cotton rock artifacts.Very light weight for the size.



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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55420

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Never heard of cotton rock before, very cool. Is that a personal find TT? You been sneakin off to Ohio? The bit looks to be in pretty good shape, neat artifact.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55433

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I have heard of cotton rock but I think that is the first artifact I have seen made of it. Very nice. How is the hardness of it?
It is better to burn out than fade away.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55438

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cgode wrote:
Never heard of cotton rock before, very cool. Is that a personal find TT? You been sneakin off to Ohio? The bit looks to be in pretty good shape, neat artifact.
I Wish! Its got a few plow scars and bit shows use but pretty good shape.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55439

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rmartin wrote:
I have heard of cotton rock but I think that is the first artifact I have seen made of it. Very nice. How is the hardness of it?
Ive only seen them in books...Compared to granite its soft, quite light.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55441

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Wow! Now that baby would get the work done. Thanks for the look.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55448

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Cool piece, so soft but not so soft to make into a celt?
Have always wondered what all the uses for celts are. Beating a rock, even sharpened against a piece of wood has got to be a pain. For war? Lighter, easier to heft? Other purposes?
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55461

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Awesome Celt Mark, the only problem with that one is that it is not mine. Like the others have heard of cotton rock but never seen anything made from it. The material is cool what blows my mind is the size of it! That is one huge celt!!!_Bill
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55462

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Very interesting, Mark. “Cotton rock” is one of those terms that’s used to describe a variety of lithologies. Sometimes it’s used to loosely describe decomposed chert, but most commonly it’s a limestone where 50% or more of the structural calcium has been replaced by magnesium as Calcium Magnesium Carbonate.

That’s certainly what your very impressive item looks like - Magnesian limestone or Dolostone (limestone partially replaced by Dolomite), also known as Dolomitic limestone.

Hardness is generally in the region 3.5 - 4, compared to (say) obsidian at 5 - 5.5 or granite at 6 – 7. It will sometimes flake conchoidally, in which case you can get a decent edge on it without resorting to pecking and grinding. Also it sometimes has quartz sand in the matrix which can signifcantly increase the hardness without adding too much to the weight.

I don’t know about native Americans but in many cultures there is a tradition of celts being made in apparently unsuitable materials as votive offerings. They are frequently found in burial contexts, or in association with shrines.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55464

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As usual Roger, thanks for a good explanation! What would we do without you?
It is better to burn out than fade away.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55466

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gregszybala wrote:
Cool piece, so soft but not so soft to make into a celt?
Have always wondered what all the uses for celts are. Beating a rock, even sharpened against a piece of wood has got to be a pain. For war? Lighter, easier to heft? Other purposes?
Would have been much easier making this one..Would make a good weapon.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55467

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painshill wrote:
Very interesting, Mark. “Cotton rock” is one of those terms that’s used to describe a variety of lithologies. Sometimes it’s used to loosely describe decomposed chert, but most commonly it’s a limestone where 50% or more of the structural calcium has been replaced by magnesium as Calcium Magnesium Carbonate.

That’s certainly what your very impressive item looks like - Magnesian limestone or Dolostone (limestone partially replaced by Dolomite), also known as Dolomitic limestone.

Hardness is generally in the region 3.5 - 4, compared to (say) obsidian at 5 - 5.5 or granite at 6 – 7. It will sometimes flake conchoidally, in which case you can get a decent edge on it without resorting to pecking and grinding. Also it sometimes has quartz sand in the matrix which can signifcantly increase the hardness without adding too much to the weight.

I don’t know about native Americans but in many cultures there is a tradition of celts being made in apparently unsuitable materials as votive offerings. They are frequently found in burial contexts, or in association with shrines.
If you look at the bit it has lots of use. Could not have been heavy duty use because it would have broke.
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[/quote]If you look at the bit it has lots of use. Could not have been heavy duty use because it would have broke.[/quote]

Sorry, my final remark didn't come over as intended... just commenting in general about adzes in softer stones. I see the wear on the bit for sure. Weapon, as you suggest, would make a lot of sense.
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Re: Huge rare celt. 10 months 1 week ago #55507

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That is a big ole celt. Nice.
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