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Re: Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 1 year 9 months ago #23958

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Nice thread.
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 7 months 3 weeks ago #60476

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Thanks Roger. I have just finished Bradley and Stanfords new book. Your comments appear well researched and are very informative. Rob
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 6 months 6 days ago #64393

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so i know this is an old post but maybe someone will see this. I was watching vids on youtube and came across this one. Hope you enjoy
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 6 months 3 days ago #64714

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Drs. Sanford and Bradley have nailed it and have discovered where Clovis originated. Across Atlantic Ice is a masterful explaination of the likely Clovis origins.

The nexus between Solutrean and Clovis is in biface manufacture and Overshot flake removals. Early classic Clovis Points feature Outre' Passe' technology both during the Solutrean and Clovis periods (overshot flake removals).

This technology is right out of the Cantabrian Coastal Spanish Solutrean.

The evidence of Clovis = Solutrean is continuing to accumulate in the Del Marva Peninsula (Delaware, Maryland, Virginia).
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 6 months 1 day ago #64918

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There is no time line gap between Solutrean and Clovis. Solutrean sites in Cantabria Spain have erased any time gaps.

This is explained extremely well in Across Atlantic Ice.
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 6 months 1 day ago #64932

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Here we go again!
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 6 months 1 day ago #64944

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gregszybala wrote:
Here we go again!

Not venturing out personally. Ice too thin! ;)
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Re:Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 5 months 1 day ago #67184

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Re: Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 5 months 1 day ago #67187

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Many years ago I was in Colorado at the Lovland Stone age fair. That particular year Dr. Dennis Stanford from the Smithsonian was one of the guest speakers.(This also had an all star cast of speakers including Dr. George Frison but another story.)At the time, Dennis presented the Solutrean, Clovis connection. At first the thought was how in the world would this even be possiable, but I was there to learn and hear from those I respect. As growing up with all the text books suggesting that the right of passage went through the Bering Staights my thoughts were to hold onto this as the only fact. But the more I listen to what Dr. Stanford said on how this was possiable the more I sat up in the chair and hung on every word he said. For me it made sense from the oldest dates of Clovis sites being on the East coast, to the similar tool reduction of the points from both cultures. It was also plausable for me, by the means by which they would have traveled across an ice sheet. I sat there with the thought that if man did come from the Bering Straights from Siberia, would they have not experinced the same Ice cap and roughly the same distance but without the help of sea animals to feed off of. If I only had a cyrstal ball to tell me, but I don't, so is this a fact or is this fiction. I can only imagine. Those that disagree that this is possiable, I ask how did the Pyramid’s get built. If it was from the labor of men, then man has the ability to cross an ocean ice cap.

Please excuse all mispelled words and grammer mistakes, but would love to here any thoughts on this subject.
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This is only a theory, I know that there will be great debate on this subject for years to come. Charlie I find your prophetic insight scary. I understand that lines have been drawn both pro's and con's. The book is out and from there the battle lines can be drawn. I am neither for or against this subject, it simply has no hard fact evidence. This subject has been on other posts from time to time and I am surprised that I have seen this return. Mods please lock this thread if you see fit.
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Re: Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 5 months 17 hours ago #67208

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Hi Chase

I know how you feel, but I really don't see cause to to lock the thread. The Solutrean connection is indeed a theory... and I don't use that word with the intention of belittling Stanford or Bradley since they also refere to it as a theory. To some extent we risk going over old ground until more evidence in support (or against) appears. I wouldn't rule out either possibility and as long as folks play nice about their respective views they're entitled to have their say.
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Re: Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction 5 months 14 hours ago #67221

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chase wrote:
chase wrote:
Many years ago I was in Colorado at the Lovland Stone age fair. That particular year Dr. Dennis Stanford from the Smithsonian was one of the guest speakers.(This also had an all star cast of speakers including Dr. George Frison but another story.)At the time, Dennis presented the Solutrean, Clovis connection. At first the thought was how in the world would this even be possiable, but I was there to learn and hear from those I respect. As growing up with all the text books suggesting that the right of passage went through the Bering Staights my thoughts were to hold onto this as the only fact. But the more I listen to what Dr. Stanford said on how this was possiable the more I sat up in the chair and hung on every word he said. For me it made sense from the oldest dates of Clovis sites being on the East coast, to the similar tool reduction of the points from both cultures. It was also plausable for me, by the means by which they would have traveled across an ice sheet. I sat there with the thought that if man did come from the Bering Straights from Siberia, would they have not experinced the same Ice cap and roughly the same distance but without the help of sea animals to feed off of. If I only had a cyrstal ball to tell me, but I don't, so is this a fact or is this fiction. I can only imagine. Those that disagree that this is possiable, I ask how did the Pyramid’s get built. If it was from the labor of men, then man has the ability to cross an ocean ice cap.

Please excuse all mispelled words and grammer mistakes, but would love to here any thoughts on this subject.
Chase
This is only a theory, I know that there will be great debate on this subject for years to come. Charlie I find your prophetic insight scary. I understand that lines have been drawn both pro's and con's. The book is out and from there the battle lines can be drawn. I am neither for or against this subject, it simply has no hard fact evidence. This subject has been on other posts from time to time and I am surprised that I have seen this return. Mods please lock this thread if you see fit.

Chase, my "prophesy" was my idea of a joke. It was just me being a clown. I edited that comment after the thread was re-started. I was teasing a certain someone, my bad. And I like the guy, just too enthusiastic to be impartial IMHO. I'm going to see if I can erase that comment. Agree with Roger, no need to lock this thread. I'm sorry, Chase! Poor joke on my part......
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