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cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55148

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not really but i dont know what it is. this is what i know , a friend give it to me he found it in the san jouquin valley on a dry lake bed in the 60s he told me it was a canoe anchor but i cant find anything anywhere that looks like it. it is almost perfectly round except where it was sitting is just a bit flat any info on what this thing is would be greatly appreciated..weighs 35 pounds
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55150

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Welcome to the site nice round stone. Just kidding. Not sure here but I doubt its an anchor. It would have a groove for something to tie on it.
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55153

ya i agree. unless they lowered it down in a leather sling or something. there was 5 or 6 of these found on the lake bed this being the biggest.
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55154

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Welcome!! There were others like that but smaller? I can't say I've seen anything like that before....interesting. Can't wait to see what the others say. My guess would have been natural stone but it looks pretty darn symmetrical and with others like it ........ Hmmmm
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55159

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I do have one from CT that is maybe duck pin size but I never saw one that big. Mine looks like a natural stone but I kept it because it came from a multi cultural site in Litchfield Co. CT
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55164

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Apparently stone spheres are not unknown in the Joaquin Valley..

www.pcas.org/assets/documents/Nexusfinal_000.pdf
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55171

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thanks for sharing that, wonder if its the #16, welcome and hope to learn more,,twoshovel
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55174

thank you for the info.. i am new to all this stuff and dont know exactly what all that means what people used it and how old,
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55182

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Just came across this link check it out. Looks like you have a muller. asaa-persimmonpress.com/number_18_martha...0_william_moody.html
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55195

ya possibly. although i dont know how they would have kept it so round using it everyday to mash up grain.it is almost perfectly round and has a pretty good finish and i am not sure what kind of rock it is but just the feel and touch of it i dont think it would take alot of abuse.and it wouldnt stay round.thanks for the info
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55197

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It would get and stay smooth by just being rolled on another rock. They did not have machine tool to do that. If it was just rolled on another large flat rock it would gradually over time become smooth.
Lets see a picture of the flat spot fow big is that and is it smooth?

Sorry I don't have anything to gauge the size in this photo but this one is a little bigger than a softball. It is packed away now or I would take some pictures.


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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55205

it was found sitting on the flat spot. it doesnt really look like it has been slid across anything or real smooth. that is a softball in the picture .the stone weighs 35 pounds and if u had a big bowl or something to roll it around in you could make some serious flour. i have some other smaller grinders that were used to slide and not roll and they are way smoother than this thing but maybe rolling it rather than sliding it would be the difference.
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55223

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Interesting paper Tom. I don’t know whether the item “greyeagle” has is man made or not but there are possibilities for natural – even if it was used for something - since it for sure isn’t granite and it doesn’t look like hardstone. As observed, it isn’t an anchor stone on account of the lack of a groove, hole or other attachment feature. It’s also uncharacteristically large for such an item.

I think I have mentioned this before, but there is a big swathe of sandstone, mudstone and shale in California which is rich in calcite-cemented spherical concretions of various sizes – some of them quite large. There is a major exposure of these formations in Mendocino County, between Point Arena and Gualala where thousands of them have weathered out of the steep cliffs onto the beach. Appropriately enough, it’s known locally as “Bowling Ball Beach”, but you’ll find it on the map as Schooner Gulf Beach. Here’s a picture:

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They can be almost perfect spheres, but the very large ones tend to get trapped on the beach and are then subject to uneven erosion from wave action.

You can see the same concretions in roadcuts south of Ferndale in Humboldt County and elsewhere. The host formations represent deep ocean material formed under great pressure that were carried northwards by the advancing Pacific plate about 65 million years ago and subsequently became uplifted. They also form the current western wall of the San Joaquin Valley (and the Sacramento Valley) almost as far south as Bakersfield, so it wouldn’t be surprising if such concretions were also eroded out into the valley itself – particularly since it was flooded with seawater for around 60 million years. It didn’t become a freshwater lake until its outlets were blocked by sediments and it filled with glacial meltwater before gradually drying out.

The concretions are relatively hard (but brittle and prone to cracking) and normally yellowish when found in sandstone, or greyish when found in mudstone and shale.
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55239

ya thats pretty neat.. thanks for the input . it was found with other indian stuff so unless they were picking them up and using them i dont know.
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Re: cave man bowling ball??? 10 months 1 week ago #55253

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greyeagle wrote:
it was found sitting on the flat spot. it doesnt really look like it has been slid across anything or real smooth. that is a softball in the picture .the stone weighs 35 pounds and if u had a big bowl or something to roll it around in you could make some serious flour. i have some other smaller grinders that were used to slide and not roll and they are way smoother than this thing but maybe rolling it rather than sliding it would be the difference.

That was my thought that it was rolled and not slid.
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