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TOPIC: Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie

Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23483

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Dr Thomas Hester states. "This lanceolate point has deep basal concavity, more than 4mmm, that varies from a flattened inverted V to recurved. The basal corners or ears are somewhat flared. The basal edges and concavity are heavily ground. It is wider, and heavier, than Plainview, and the flaking is generally unpatterned. It is found in South Central Texas and the Lower Pecos."

This is one that was in my collection. The basal corners have intentionally been ground down on this one:
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A very nice one out of petrified wood:
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Other side:
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Re: Golondrina 3 years 11 months ago #23484

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what is the date for these points? very nice work. but to my untrained eye still looks like a plainview.
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Re: Golondrina 3 years 11 months ago #23485

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Transitional Paleo: 7000 to 9000 years old. Believed to be related to the Dalton. Plainview does not have the flare on the ears and the deep notching.

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23486

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Do you get La Tierra? David Calame wrote a good article (vol 33 2006:87-90) on Golondrina of Duval Co. Texas. Not all Golondrina have a deeply concave (recurved) base, but the vast majority of them sure do. The problem with Plainview, Goshen, Golondrina and a myriad of other early lanceolates, is that in many cases they are relying on outdated information. Goshen and Plainview are arguably the same point. Everything "else" lanceolate people are tending to lump into Plainview simply because they don't know what else to call it.

I'm not sure I agree with Golondrina being related to the Dalton point, but it's possible. To conclude that it's only a spatial difference, one would also have to say the same of Scottsbluff and Hardin - but that very well end up being the case. I still get a kick out of how collectors refer to Scotties as paleo and Hardin as early archaic, yet Hardin have been found of a greater age. Semantics.

It could just be that I'm biased or something (my wife has a much more colorful word for it, and says I'm getting worse with age). One of my peeves is how "Dalton" is stuck on every serrated, shallow side notch or auricled-lanceolate east of the Mississippi (and to the west even). In fact, I wrote an article about that very subject in the last CSAJ.

Very nice Golondrinas Jack! I especially love that second one, what a stellar piece.
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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23487

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Jack, you have an amazing collection - I just love the petrified wood example.

[PS: with your permission, I will move this thread to "Indian Artifacts and Arrowheads" - which I guess is where you intended it to be - since I have the access rights for moving posts now. But I will do it at a quite time... not when there are people viewing, in case it all goes pear-shaped! :blink: )

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23490

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Roger, sure you can move it. Not sure how it got put where it got put.

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23492

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I need to take it. I have had several of my artifacts pictured in it. I used to pick up copies at the Temple show. I know David Calame but have not talked to him in several years. Love talking to him.

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23504

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Jack, that pet wood one is a work of art! What else can you say! Where was it found? Ray
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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23508

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It was found in Central Texas.

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23513

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I can see how it was related to the Dalton. Awesome point!

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Re:Golondrina - Used to Be Called Golondrina Plainvie 3 years 11 months ago #23600

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Noah

Thanks. It is a sweet point.

Jack
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